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I'm sure custom painters ponder this matter over many sleepless nights, I know I do! What is it that paying customers want?
Please drop YOUR comments here. What would make you break out the wallet!
My own nagging question that I want answered is this:
Do you want your new body to have painted rollbar hoop and pipes?
These are tricky areas to mask and cut, but really set add detail to a job, but do YOU really want them?
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If the body has them molded in, then painting them makes it look better then without it. But if they are not there it would be more of a prefence of if you want them or not.
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painted roll bar for sure
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my biggest fear, is what if the customer hated it...
situation A: they said do what ever design you want and maybe a few colors of thier choice...
situation B: they provided a sample to copy from...
none of want this to happen, but as a painter, im sure it will happen to all of us at some point. i had one that i had painted, and i specifically told the guy exactly what colors to use and if he didnt have them, id send them to him, as his colors wenrt flouresent and more drab...while i was happy with the work he did... the colors were all wrong...
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It's a tough thing, customer satisfaction. I'm taking the approach that if I don't feel it turned out as I set expectations I'll do what it takes to make the paying client happy. I brain-farted on one job (you know who you are) and the body didn't have the design elements we had discussed. I told the client that I would give him the paintwork, he just would pay for the body. In my opinion that was the fairest thing to do. Or give the option of getting another body, doing it over, and getting it done right just as soon as possible.
Colors are impossible. If someone hands you a box of Tide and says match it exactly, that isn't gonna happen too easily, especially with the palette of colors most guys have to work with. If we can get close, and do neat, clean execution, I would hope the job is acceptable.
My worst case scenario is someone barfs on the finished job, says screw you, won't pay for any of it, and then slams my attempt all over creation via the Inet. I will do whatever I can to avoid that.
Maybe dealing with custom work is what drove some RC painters to move to pre-painting "production" bodies. Either you like what they shoot and you buy it, or you don't use them. Bodz is a perfect example of that. And he's doing great from what I can see on eBay and his website. As long as the customer doesn't mind that there could be 12 others exactly like his at the track, production painting is a viable choice to get great work from great painters at a fair price.
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I agree with you that it is a difficult concept to master. I get alot of clients who let me run wild and I love it, but creative licence has its limits too.
I still have a less than fuzzy feeling about a pair of bodies I did....the colors and scheme were exactly what he had asked for. They were not something I would have done, but it wasn't mine so the client gets what they requested. He also asked for chrome roll bars...the thin laquer chrome, even when backed with black, reacted through the later body color and turned pink. I personally feel like they were not my best effort and don't really wan't someone to look at those as a reflection of my talent. They were paid for up front and were shipped out of state... I offered to correct them by painting others if he wasn't happy. Even though he accepted them and likes them, I don't really think he was 100% satisfied.
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Yea, with custom painting the customer always wants it to be perfect. Only problem is, is that we (well maybe not me yet, but the pro's) are human just like them and will make mistakes, and if they want more then one of the same paint scheme it will vary just slightly over the other one, but that is what makes it custom IMO. Customers can be hard to deal with sometimes, but if we were all perfect then there would be unique style from painter to painter.
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Jerry has said it in the past....if you want perfect, it will cost more than $xx.00 and you will get it when I'm done with it. Or something like that.
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It's funny because I feel I give a really nice level of work (not perfection) for a reasonable price...but you still will get people that ask for a quote and never are heard from again. Does this mean you're charging too much?? Hard to say...I think it's rediculous to demand perfection unless it's a concours show body. The price of work like that will easily double or triple most prices.
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So does this mean i cant get a 12 color paint job for $20.00.
Oh, And i need it by tonight.
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it's the new splatter technique....you like??:p:
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Pour it straight on the body right from the handy squeeze bottles, swish it around, and clearcoat.
Presto.
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DAVEC-NITRO-RS4 Wrote:Pour it straight on the body right from the handy squeeze bottles, swish it around, and clearcoat.
Presto. Tie-dye time. 
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no matter what you do some people are gonna be pissed off. I get a kick outta how i get some guys that want absolute perfection for about 40$ and then guys that email me say do what you want and let me know what it will cost. Guess who i would rather paint for? all of the bodies you guys see out there should sell for about no less than 80$ painters screw themselves over. Just think about if you were having a real car painted, those guys get paid around 25$ an hour, and by some of the RC bodies I have seen theres no reason that a painter shouldnt get that too. the quality and teh tiime that is put into these paintjobs is ridiculous, you guys all saw the write up I did, I even left some steps out. So for all the guys out there that want a cool paint job for about 40$ I say try one body yourself, buy the paint, buy the mask, buy the xactos, shit ill even let you borrow my airbrush, and seriously attempt one body and you will never look at it the same way again
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Well said.
Just came back from the hobby shop with some paint for my 8ight when it gets here.
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Czech-it-Out Graphics Wrote:Just think about if you were having a real car painted, those guys get paid around 25$ an hour
That's cheap!!! Shop rates are more than double that. The painter himself may make that but a true custom paintjob....just leave the check blank.
Most of the custom shops I've worked at have shop rates in the $55-$70 per hr. range. The majority of that type of work is a T&M basis with a ballpark quote. $6500 usually being the low end most being in the $10-$12K range.
It's not hard to have $2500 or more just in paint material for a 1:1 project.
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aren't candy red pints like $250+ for 1/1's?Maybe even like $500 a pint?
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some of those color change paints for a couple g a pint
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There aren't quite that much...but the Chameleon colors are. It really depends on the product line you use. PPG, Dupont, RM, Alsa Corp, House of Kolor,etc. all make specific product lines and some are alot more than others.
Alsa Corp. makes a couple of product paints that run $150+ for 2 oz. (same size as a bottle of SpazStix)
HOK is actually pretty reasonably priced compared to other manufactures.
Here's an example of what Tex's color scheme would be for just paint material only on an average size 1:1 car.
Line Item Description Qty Unit Back Order Price Unit Extension
002 HOK UFC19-GL KOMPLY KLEAR II 1.9VOC CC VOC COMPLIANT URETHANE CLEAR 1 GL $176.44
003 HOK RU313-GL VERY SLOW REDUCER RU-313 HIGH TEMP 3 GL $138.72
004 HOK KU100-QT URETHANE CATALYST KU-100 2 QT $95.06
005 HOK SG100-GL INTERCOAT CLEAR SG-100 1 GL $89.73
006 HOK BC02-QT ORION SILVER SHIMRIN BC-02 GLAMOUR METALLIC BASECOAT 4 QT $133.68
007 HOK KD2000-GL DIRECT TO METAL PRIMER 1 GL $79.93
008 HOK KU150-QT EXEMPT CATALYST 2 QT $113.04
009 HOK UK01-GL BRANDYWINE UK-1 URETHANE KANDY KOLOR 1 GL $188.43
010 HOK UK01-QT BRANDYWINE UK-1 URETHANE KANDY KOLOR 2 QT $92.82
011 HOK UK08-GL TANGERINE UK-8 URETHANE KANDY KOLOR 1 GL $185.70
012 HOK UK12-QT PAGAN GOLD UK-12 URETHANE KANDY KOLOR 1 QT $40.76
013 HOK KU200-PT STRIPING CATALYST KU-200 1 PT $35.11
014 HOK U10-QP ROYAL BLUE URETHANE STRIPING & LETTERING ENAMEL 2 QP $27.48
015 HOK U12-QP SILVER URETHANE STRIPING & LETTERING ENAMEL 2 QP $27.48
016 HOK U00-PT URETHANE STRIPING REDUCER 1 PT $16.81
017 HOK F20-6Z RED FLAKE 6-OUNCE JAR 1 EA $31.47
018 HOK KDA2000-QT ACTIVATOR FOR HOK DIRECT TO METAL PRIMER 1 QT $25.95
019 HOK KC10-GL WAX & GREASE REMOVER 1 GL $27.96
020 HOK BC25-QT BASECOAT BLACK SOLID BC-25 2 QT $66.30
021 HOK BC26-QT BASECOAT WHITE SOLID BC-26 2 QT $73.06
Tax: $0.00
Order Total: $1,665.93
A truck or SUV would be even more and remember this is for finish paint material only... not prep material like masking tape, sandpaper, masking paper, bodywork & primer, sanding & polishing and most importantly time & labor.
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brandywine and tangerine Kandy...mmmmmmmmm...those are good stuff on a real car
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