Losi 8 Vs. Rc8

[chickenfarmer3]

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[Tex]

I've raced the 8B and it was pretty easy to drive if you don't drive punched. (wide open throttle all the time)

My 8B steered like a mofo as well, way better than any Mugen I've driven. It's not a pissing contest but from my experiences the 8B is a great buggy. (All the top buggies are great)

Also, it's worth noting, I drove Ponch's Losi 8B and the thing was VERY hard to drive fast and stay in control. My 8B was 100 times easier to drive fast.

It's all in setup.


As far as problems with the 8B, I never had any in 2 gallons of race time. I stripped a steering servo gear (the little white gears in the Futaba servos) but that's it. That could happen on any buggy.

Most of the people saying the 8B isn't a good buggy on this thread has NEVER owned one. you cannot really fully judge something like these cars without owning and racing one yourself (playing with setups and such).

[Czech-it-Out Graphics]

lol im sure ill get flamed, but i'd much rather own a mugen, kyosho, TTR over a losi. There are too many random failures on those cars, hell look at what jimbo alone goes through. Not that it breaks easy, dont see many broken arms after crashes and stuff but jesus u can always tell if there is a losi truggy in a main because you can hear the diffs making that loud ass CRACK noise whenever the guy gets on the gas. Sorry but quality isn't there in the drive train at all

[J-Dub]

These threads are all pissing matches...-sigh-

Something on every vehicles blows ass. It's called a problem area.

When you put it on the drawing board, its all assumed that it will work well
when its a prototype it works well. Mass Produce it, a little later you're going to start seeing your problem areas, what wears out, what breaks. Where are the pieces breaking. THEN. Manufactureres GENERALLY start working on revisions. I think its only a matter of time before bugs like that are worked out. SO, Garbage from the start, Garbage always? I think not. Mugen has been using the buggy Chassis for a long time, so has Kyosho, so has TTR. So generally speaking the Losi 8B is a pretty new Chassis, and so is the 8T. All im saying is theres time for improvement. If they just lef tit that way and did nothing f*ck them but they probably will fix it. So I think we should give losi a little bit of credit, for not having an 8th scale anything really and now having designed a buggy from the ground up, its doing pretty well, minus a few bugs.

that's just my 1.50 for this thread. Cause its always this vs this. etc. For the record this is not a flame meant at anyone I think I may just be trying to be logical. Cause it does make sense. Apple fixed the first gen crappy Ipods so I think this would be kind of the same thing.

[motoxer4life]

I had the losi and it was kind of hard to drive for me at least, mostly because it was my first buggy and ive never raced before. The only problems i had was stripping those little steering servo plastic inserts but theyre cheap and I got the stronger ones that losi made and it worked fine. I didint notice any wearing on the diffs or cvd's but then again I only had it for about 3 gallons.

[kevinF]

The Losi 8 Is Sounding To Be An Alright Choice For Bashing Around, But Rc8 In The One You Need To Race With. What Do You Mean By Pushed? Over Power On The Motor Or Steering Control In And Out Of The Corners. What Kind Of Upgrades Are Needed? Can They Be Bought To Help Get The Issues Under Control?

what i mean by pushed is you cant try to go faster or it does crappy, it likes to be driven smoothly.

[kevinF]

To all those who have raced the Losi 8 - besides the issue involving thottle servo breakage/overheating (use the KHZ or other brace), what other issues are there with the buggy?

Are those "issues that need to be worked out" inherent in the central-motor-placement design or are there aftermarket products available that solve/mitigate these problems?

thx

the only problem I have with the losi is on power steering. the ackerman bushings wear too fast and put a lot of play in it. they have upgrades for this but its like 40 bucks and not sure if its worth it.

Mike- im not sure what you mean about the diffs, never had a problem with the actual gears in and around the diffs. the only problem i had with the diffs was the outdrive cup which went out after 10 gallons. the front/center driveshaft wears fast because of the ane its at. the losi 8iht really is a good buggy, but does have a few minor issues at least to me. Pmhours, if your gonig tobash and race i would get the 8ight or wait until the rc8 changes over to the TTR plastics, becasue right now theyre brittle.

[Czech-it-Out Graphics]

These threads are all pissing matches...-sigh-

Something on every vehicles blows ass. It's called a problem area.

When you put it on the drawing board, its all assumed that it will work well
when its a prototype it works well. Mass Produce it, a little later you're going to start seeing your problem areas, what wears out, what breaks. Where are the pieces breaking. THEN. Manufactureres GENERALLY start working on revisions. I think its only a matter of time before bugs like that are worked out. SO, Garbage from the start, Garbage always? I think not. Mugen has been using the buggy Chassis for a long time, so has Kyosho, so has TTR. So generally speaking the Losi 8B is a pretty new Chassis, and so is the 8T. All im saying is theres time for improvement. If they just lef tit that way and did nothing f*ck them but they probably will fix it. So I think we should give losi a little bit of credit, for not having an 8th scale anything really and now having designed a buggy from the ground up, its doing pretty well, minus a few bugs.

that's just my 1.50 for this thread. Cause its always this vs this. etc. For the record this is not a flame meant at anyone I think I may just be trying to be logical. Cause it does make sense. Apple fixed the first gen crappy Ipods so I think this would be kind of the same thing.

TTR put out the most radical design for its time, look at pics of what stuff it has on it and think thats what came out three years ago; its a great car but it sucked balls for the first 8 months to a year atleast, not breaking or wearing out, but just didnt drive well. Now look at the changes that were made, and yet its still a piece of shit car that nobody drives. But Im talking about parts quality and material quality, they used the whole TTR drive train on the AE. It's bullet proof. The losi doesn't drive the way i like, even if it did, I wouldn't run it for the fact that I would have zero confidence in it lasting. All the guys i've talked to that race them or used to say the same thing shit wears out way to quickly. They've had enough time to solve those problems but have not. its a materials thing, not like the buggys been out 6 months. Im not flaming but just keepin it real lol

[Czech-it-Out Graphics]

the only problem I have with the losi is on power steering. the ackerman bushings wear too fast and put a lot of play in it. they have upgrades for this but its like 40 bucks and not sure if its worth it.

Mike- im not sure what you mean about the diffs, never had a problem with the actual gears in and around the diffs. the only problem i had with the diffs was the outdrive cup which went out after 10 gallons. the front/center driveshaft wears fast because of the ane its at. the losi 8iht really is a good buggy, but does have a few minor issues at least to me. Pmhours, if your gonig tobash and race i would get the 8ight or wait until the rc8 changes over to the TTR plastics, becasue right now theyre brittle.

Im talking about the diff cups, the ring and pinion's, cvd's etc. Like I said look what jimbo goes through, look at what happened to truhe at the worlds warm up same thing.

AE already has gone back to the TTR plastic

[rocco79]

Even in last months Xtreme (or maybe it was hiTorque) They said that the losi 8 would be difficult eevn in the rtr form for a newbie since it is so sensitive

[kevinF]

Im talking about the diff cups, the ring and pinion's, cvd's etc. Like I said look what jimbo goes through, look at what happened to truhe at the worlds warm up same thing.

AE already has gone back to the TTR plastic

yeah, never had a problem with the ring and pinions though.

thats good they switched, that was quick. when i drove that rc8 car it had shitty acceleration, but it could have been the setup/engine

[blktransam]

I have never had any issues with digg. gears-ring-pinion, I just went through my buggy last weekend replaced what was worn out etc etc etc and that was all the bearings (has been about 3 mths since I did bearings ) and 2 front tie rod end had some slop in them. also replaced one of the center shafts-been a yr and just now needing to replace one?! I race every weekend and even run practice once a week here and their have over 12-13 gallons on my buggy so far now.

[mikeL]

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[HAGASAN]

Yada yada yada....

[blktransam]

yeah your guys are realy contributing Hagasan way to copy mikeL....cant you be a smart ass on your own or do you need a guide....this is a debate thread between losi 8ight and RC8 not a thread that needs to be ****** up like all the rest of them.....

[cheesecake]

the diff problem is more in the truggy than the buggy. the buggy i have noticed is solid it just requires a controlled driving style over a wild one.

[HAGASAN]

Guess you dont know MikeL very well, or Me either. Mike didnt need to say it but i got what he meant. I did contribute before stating they are both great cars for the money, you really cant go wrong. They both have their drawbacks but what doesnt. Nothing like beating a dead horse. No reason to wet your diaper over it tho.

[J-Dub]

lol, Mike L likes his losi. Its drive to car love, and chemistry that gets you around the track. not the Car I guess.

If you're relying on just the car get out of the sport kids?

[PMHOURS]

The losi 8 just looks like the car to have. the rc8 has too little feed back, but the repairs and upgrades for the losi may hit the pocket book. THIS IS A SAYING I HEARD FROM A FRIEND WITH BAD LUCK. " WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF R/C" . If you have an rc8 i would like to hear how the car runs and drives. I still have not made up my mind on the car to get.

[cheesecake]

get a jammin its old but reliable

[rcrunr1]

PMHOURS -

There are threads in the Racers Forum dedicated to the Losi 8 (don't hate...
8ight) and the RC8 (Official RC8 Thread) that may help you "make up your mind".
Just get something you like, can get parts for easily and stick with it. If you are an inexperienced driver, the car won't be the determining factor anyway. Most of the guys commenting are veterans and could do well with anything...

[J-Dub]

Well. It's hard to speculate what would be good for a beginner. Not an 8ight. from what i've heard.

While we're on that, what would be good for a beginner...something thats forgiving and fairly not picky. I was looking into getting a buggy myself.

a Hyper Buggy? A Jammin buggy? (just saying because parts are boiling out of the earth)

[blktransam]

nothing wrong with starting off with a jammin great buggy had one myself and was very solid!

I love my 8ight so thats what I would pick everyone has there own view on everything, your best bet is to try driving any kind of buggy you can to see what you like the best before I bought my 8ight I drove a few at the local track and loved how they drove ( I used to race 1/10 nitro couple yrs back) so this buggy drove very similar IMO. I clicked off much faster laps after going with my 8ight over my jammin.

just buy something that your local hobby shop stocks parts for as well. and something alot of locals run becuase thy can help you with set-ups and what not also.

[Eddie F]

Mugen

[Tex]

an 8B would be ok for a beginner IMO. Take your time, learn the car, and have fun. Don't get too serious or the fun goes away.