cool Ryan......thanks, Its NOT what I want(want a p5x) but I am short on $ atm and this wont set me back too bad, run it for a couple mths, then get my p5x 
so for $140 NIB shipped for everything, how can I go wrong?? Also, what pipes and plugs do these like, and do they need re-shimmed for 30% from factory? thanks again Trevor
so for $140 NIB shipped for everything, how can I go wrong?? Also, what pipes and plugs do these like, and do they need re-shimmed for 30% from factory? thanks again Trevor