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[team3six]

Casketman, Ill play along and in your points I will say that somewhat you are right. and also wrong

First off, The best thing about politics now adays including when it comes to elections is factcheck.org.

Every news paper, news station, or media giant even if they are Republican or Democrate will use factcheck.org to check against statements used to help the basic common people see what is real and what is not real. Most of the time they put the statements into perspective and clean up the hype about a comment or point so you can make the best judgement about what a politician said.

In that, I would say there is your way of finding truth in some area's that may be important to you as a voter.

yes, its true that sometimes you would have to be the person being there to really see the reality in things. But we are just talking about polotics so I think that is where I stand with that.

By the way, please dont take this as an arguement, Again this is my opinion and I do greatly enjoy the challenge of conversation. You making the effort to join in says you have curiosity and are not just a judgemental (As mancow says) Sheepeole.

OK, Now on the situation on IRAQ, Man I couldnt agree with you more about it being a hornets nest. The truth is and I want you to please see my pont of view on this. LONG LONG LON G before the United States was a country, The Middle east has been in a holy war that has and may never end. now when I say holy, I mean not like here in the USA where we have a hundred different types of faiths trying to bring you into thier church and making claims that they will save you. I mean holy land that each one claims they own the rights to and that they are the holy people that should occupy that land.
These people have been fighting so long that this is all they know. Not only is it that is all they know, But they really dont even remember what it is they are fighting for and why. democracy wont cure them, Understanding them wont free them. its just thier way. Now on the subject of why allot, not ALL, But allot of the culture dislikes America and our way of life. Well it isnt just America. it is any culture that follows a free life. The ability to think and act for ourselves without consequence as a whole, But consequence as a single person. Now add that holy fight that has been clouded over thousands of years and add pissed off because you as a middle eastern man are not able to do basically whatever you want. And then top it off with your government controlling your every thought and action. I know that doesnt sound like a good reason to be such a savage country with no morals. But again they are not US!

OK, Now this may be sounding as if I am protecting them. Im not, I am just trying to have you understand that this is thier way of thinking.

Another point I should make is just in case you didnt know it. I am A Marine! I am proud of my country as much as I am proud of every man and women who serves here and abroad. But dont think for one minute that every person serving there is wanting to be there. I have many many friends right now who has served 4 tours of duty and have been extended past thier contracts 2 or more years in order to keep the numbers strong. Allot of those friends have lost marriages because of this, havent seen thier children grow up, walk, talk, learn to ride a bike. Some of those friends have returned and dont even realize who they are. I have a friend here where I live who wants nothing more than to kill himself, And he cant do it no matter how hard he tries because he is scared. I have five frinds whom have died in bombings, I have three frinds who are defineatly not the people I once knew and trained with. And I have one friend who has disappeared and concidered AWAC (Its the same as AWOL). There is no draft, there is no line of new kids signing up to join, there is no sign of relief, Equiptment has been depleated, And there are allot of lonely, scared, sad people over there who dont want to play any more. I know that it sounds like B.S. But its true and that I know for a fact. Me personally, What I wouldnt do to be able to go back and serve again. but the other part of me knows if that ever happened, I would completely loose who I am now.

Now, this has been said a thousand times and this is true among Republicans such as Sen. Richard Burr, Sen. Chuck Hagel and Sen. Richard Lugar to name a few, That This war in Iraq should never had happened. We are avoiding the real fight by going after an easy target and trying to impose democracy to a nation that doesnt understand or believe in our ways.

Now true, Suddam was a freaking nut cake who needed to be removed from power. But the trth is, He or his country had nothing to do with what happened here. and futhermore, Little Bush was just finishing up what daddy started and never finished.

So lets be realistic in this, We both know that the real threat is in a cave. And dont think for one second we dont know where he is either. Your government is much more advanced then what you have even thought you have seen. That cell phone that has GPS, Video, Internet has been around 10 years before you ever thought wouldnt it be cool if's.

And finally, if you think that sticking to his guns and making the war center stage would of won him the election. tell that to all my buddies who just want to come home and try and be normal again. tell that to all the mothers, fathers, sisters, wives, husbands, and kids that just want this to stop.

I mean, I may of been proud to serve, but war is hell!

"I'ts easy to pull a trigger, Its another thing to kill a man and live with it as if it was natural." Wesley Clark