General truggy/arena talk

[Czech-it-Out Graphics]

nobody could notice that .5lbs in the cars driving especially with a .28 lol

[Michowski]

i could notice it. From just adding fuel tubing i could tell my greevo had slower lap times compared to having shorter fuel line. Maybe you just dont got the skillz mike? :blah: lol jk

[rocco79]

Mich is was the extra weight of the tube slowing that aneimic TM!!! LOL!! J/k!!

[snakebite46]

Alot of running truggies need a place to chit-chat.

What are the LSP guys running for front kick-up and rear anti-squat ? I got the KHZ plates coming and wanna make some adjustments. I got the truck feeling good on the track with the current set-up but looking for some of your set-ups.

[Eracer76]

Good idea on the thread

My set-up is pretty much stock as far as kick-up and anti-squat is concerned.
I think mine feels good, but still wish I had some more steering, off and on power.
Ive been wanting that since day one though

Ive made some suspension adjustments that seemed to help, but I still think wheels/tires make the biggest difference for me, Im still searching for the perfect combo though.

Do you want us to list our complete set-ups?
It would be cool to compare, but it seems some people dont want to share their secrets unless you ask for details.

[rocco79]

Front
Shocks- 70wt, black springs 4mm preload.
Stock sway bar
0* degree kick up
2* degree camber
2* degree toe
ackerman arm rear holes
3k diff fluid

Center
5k diff fluid
13/50 gearing


Rear
King headz stock * degree anti squat
2*degree rear toe plate
1k diff fluid
shocks 80wt, Blue springs , largest preload spacer (cant remember what mm)
2* degrees camber

[snakebite46]

Heres what I got in mine.
If it's not listed, it probally stock. I got the set-up from Kendall @ A-main hobbies and tweaked it alittle .


Front:
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Oil.............. 60W
Pistons.......... Stock
Spring........... Stock black springs
Ride height ..... Bones level
Shock pos........ outside on arm, Upper Middle on tower
Shock ends....... Racers Edge 3.0mm Aluminum (longer)
Shock travel..... Quite a bit limited, probably 4-5mm
Ackerman pos..... Rear
Sway bar......... Stock 3.0mm
Front Caster..... 17 Degrees
Upper arm pos.... Top holes

Diff oil......... 7000wt
Camber........... -2 degrees
Toe.............. .5 out
Tires............ C compound Boa's
Foams............ Panther dark grey


Center:
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Diff............. 10000wt
Brakes........... Stock 70/30 bias
Spur Gear........ 50 tooth
Clutch Bell...... 14 tooth
Clutch Shoes.....Mugen Carbon
Clutch Springs... Mugen 1.0
Engine........... Novarossi 528XR Eb Modded
Cooling Head..... Stock
Tuned pipe....... RB 9886 long header
Steering Servo... Air 359z
Throttle Servo... Air 360z

Rear:
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Oil.............. 60wt
Pistons.......... Stock
Spring........... Stock black springs
Ride height ..... Bones level
Shock pos........ Inside on arm, Upper Middle on tower
Shock ends....... Racers Edge 3.0mm Aluminum (longer)
Shock travel..... Quite a bit limited, probably 10mm
Upper arm pos.... Top hole
Arm pos hub...... Outer
Camber........... -2
Toe in........... 59mm (3 degrees)
Diff oil......... 4000
Sway bar......... Stock 3.0mm
Wing position.... Flat
Tires............ Panther C compound Boa's
Foams............panther Dark greys

[rocco79]

woah! Those oils are thick if thats what you run

[dentguy92]

Oil.............. 60W
Pistons.......... Stock
Spring........... Stock black springs
Ride height ..... Bones level
Shock pos........ in side on arm, Upper Middle on tower
Shock ends....... stock
Shock travel..... Quite a bit limited, probably 4-5mm
Ackerman pos..... frunt
Sway bar......... off
Front Caster..... 17 Degrees
Upper arm pos.... Top holes

Diff oil......... 3000wt
Camber........... -2 degrees
Toe.............. -1.5 out



Center:
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Diff............. 5000wt
Spur Gear........ 50 tooth
Clutch Bell...... 13 tooth
Engine........... Novarossi P5
Tuned pipe....... JP-2 long header

Rear:
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Oil.............. 50wt
Pistons.......... Stock
Spring........... Blue Med.
Ride height ..... Bones level
Shock pos........ Inside on arm, Middle on tower
Shock ends....... Stock
Shock travel..... Only 2 or 3 mm
Upper arm pos.... Middle hole
Arm pos hub...... Outer
Camber........... -2
Toe in........... 56mm (KZ stock)
Diff oil......... 2000

[Tex]

http://www.chitownrc.com/showthread.php?t=1481

[snakebite46]

Damn.........Gabe can you merge the 2 together ?

[Notochord]

lol

[Tex]

Done!

[Eracer76]

Ok, I finally found the time to post my set-up

Front:
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Shock Oil.............. 50wt
Pistons.......... Stock
Spring........... Stock black springs
Ride height ..... 5mm preload, arms level
Shock pos........ outside on arm, Upper Middle on tower
Shock ends....... Racers Edge 3.0mm Aluminum
Shock travel...... Full travel
Ackerman pos..... Middle hole
Sway bar......... Stock 3.0mm
Front Caster..... 17 Degrees
Upper arm pos.... Top holes

Diff oil......... 5000wt
Camber........... -1 degree
Toe.............. 1 degree out
Tires............ Proline Crimefighters
Foams............ Racers Edge 2 stage


Center:
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Diff............. 7000wt
Brakes........... Carbon Fiber disc's 40/60 bias
Spur Gear........ 50 tooth
Clutch Bell...... 13 tooth
Clutch Shoes.....Mugen Carbon
Clutch Springs... Mugen 1.0
Engine........... Novarossi P5x Eb Modded
Cooling Head..... Stock
Tuned pipe....... Jammin JP-2
Steering Servo... Air 94359z
Throttle Servo... Air 94359z

Rear:
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Oil.............. 50wt
Pistons.......... Stock
Spring........... Stock black springs
Ride height ..... 10mm preload, arms just above level
Shock pos........ Inside on arm, Upper Middle on tower
Shock ends....... Racers Edge 3.0mm Aluminum
Shock travel..... Full travel
Upper arm pos..... Top hole
Arm pos hub...... Inner hole
Hub pos........ Upper hole
Camber........... -1 degree
Toe in........... 2 degree Racers Edge block
Diff oil......... 2000
Sway bar......... Stock 3.0mm
Wing position.... angled up
Tires............ Proline Crimefighers
Foams............Racers Edge 2 stage

[Blown5.0]

Is the HPI Hellfire basically the same truck as the LSP?

[Eracer76]

Is the HPI Hellfire basically the same truck as the LSP?

Nope, it does have the same basic layout, like all truggies, but everything is newly designed and different, like the bulkhead/diffs, upper chassis plates and so on.

[rocco79]

Yeah, i hope there good being an hpi guy.... But not toooooo goood! LOL

[snakebite46]

Hellfire comes with 17mm hexes too ?

Anyone planning on checking one out ?

[snakebite46]

Has anyone noticed that the LSP with the suspension hanging or level frt feels tight but when the suspension is under full compression the C-hubs have alot of slop ?

[Mr. Tune]

Anyone planning on checking one out ?

I am. You UMT guys need a good challenge in that class.

[snakebite46]

good challenge ? You mean dodging lane jumpers ? =P



J/K Tune.

[rocco79]

Snake its engineered slop! LOL! Just deal with it

[snakebite46]

So my guess is that yours does the same thing ?

[Eracer76]

Has anyone noticed that the LSP with the suspension hanging or level frt feels tight but when the suspension is under full compression the C-hubs have alot of slop ?

There was a subject posted about on Truggyracers.com
People started posting problems with the front suspension binding, which was actually making the steering tight when the arms would hang below level.
They found that some of the newer LSP's had a problem with the front shafts being too long or posibly the axles are the cause, no one knew for sure though.
Some were so bad that they had to run positive camber just to keep it from binding.

The quick fix is to put in some MGT shafts, which are a little bit shorter then then the stock shafts, but still work with the stock axles. Some also took a dremel to the diff cups and made them deeper, which I guess worked ok too.

Is this the problem that your talking about?

[Mr. Tune]

Does anyone know what the wheelbase on the LSP is?